archipanktator. It’s the west that coined the phrase,”alternative medicine”. because4 they didn’t understand it. Fact is,Chinese medicine is about 3000 years old and and the western world now recognizes that it is far more advanced then their arrogance lead them to believe. What were your ancestors doing 3000 years ago?Did you ever see the movie,”Braveheart”?They lived like cavemen didn’t they?That was only 700 years ago. So asshole.Read a book before you speak.
Posted on: 13/Apr/2009@1:35 pm
caribe4045 says...
Junosdaughter. Your response to archipankrator is correct but you diction is far too complicated for the idiot you’re talking to.If you want to get your point across, speak to him as you would to a child.
Posted on: 13/Apr/2009@1:48 pm
Gimm2006 says...
Bravo! Bravo! Beverly Burns. You have done the world a service of highest order. Words do not describe my delight with your highly intelligent, clear and accessible presentation. Thank you x 10.
Posted on: 17/Apr/2009@12:11 am
archipankrator says...
being treated by an experienced acupuncturist is indistinguishable from a NHS nurse randomly poking you with needles as far as health effects go, hth
Posted on: 26/Apr/2009@12:23 pm
caribe4045 says...
It’s magnificently clear that you are clueless about acupuncture so one can only conclude that your rantings are a feeble racist attempt to minimize another culture’s achievements to make you feel better about your own.
Posted on: 28/Apr/2009@8:07 pm
archipankrator says...
you’re right, I’m 5 years old and can’t differentiate between medicine and culture
durrrrrr…
Posted on: 29/Apr/2009@12:00 pm
AnonymousCowardX says...
I find it highly depicable to stick to esoteric non-sense and to exploit naive people who possibly seek real help.
Alternative medicine is based on nothing.
There are no meridians.
Stop the madness.
Posted on: 9/May/2009@3:22 pm
BeaucoupRed says...
The rats are jumping ship.
CHEMRISK – a research company hired by the Corn Refiners Association has recently taken down it’s YouTube channel.
The removal was in response to negative public perception resulting from the discovery of dangerous levels of MERCURY in HIGH-FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP. Apparently it has become a liability to defend the sweetener.
See one of the last remaining ChemRisk videos at CornRefinersAssoc on YouTube.
Posted on: 10/May/2009@7:44 am
JLeeMagnetic says...
The best anti-aging product I’ve ever seen is actually Alex Chiu’s Magnetic
Discovery. The other people are just nonsense.
Posted on: 19/May/2009@5:44 pm
edthewave says...
How do you know there are no meridians? There are plenty of things in your body you cannot “see” or have any awareness of. Don’t assume that so-called “western medicine” has everything figured out either!
Posted on: 8/Jun/2009@7:05 pm
edthewave says...
Maybe the reason why you couldn’t feel anything is because you can’t even feel YOUR OWN CHI. How sad….Try some qigong, yoga or taichi and try a acupuncture treatment again. Also, all because you “don’t feel anything” doesn’t mean nothing is happening. You are probably lacking “body-awareness”. You need to sit down and meditate, maybe then you would not be so ignorant.
Peace Be With You
Posted on: 8/Jun/2009@7:10 pm
AnonymousCowardX says...
According to all my friends and science, there are no meridians. I trust science, and I love empirism and its direction. Of course western medicine,as you call it,has not everything figured out.But I trust this kind of medicine only.Look up science and empirism,if you don’t know what they mean.Lot more trustful approach than simplistic hokum.
Believe me, “western medicine” has found out a 1000 times more things than eso-world.
Posted on: 9/Jun/2009@6:03 pm
archipankrator says...
cool story hansel, maybe you could try bloodletting to balance your sanguine humour
Posted on: 12/Jun/2009@5:03 pm
Sivant says...
you should know, The medical scientist and doctors who lead world medicine are majorly in favor of TraditionallChinese Medicine (TCM) and the effectives and safety of the theory and applied technique. The science is in to an extent, go do your research in journals. However the medical acupuncturist association (the board for M.D. acupuncturist in the us) doubts that a gold standard will do the medicine justice. The WHO is a strong proponent, and the ICD-10 will have codes for TCM.
Posted on: 18/Jun/2009@7:58 pm
SimulacronX says...
Yes, politics. Another story.
But I doubt medical scientists and doctors who lead are “majorly in favor of TCM”.
Some doctors just think, if that patient is becalmed by using placebo tricks, so be it.
I never said placebo is not real.
I said people who pretend to heal everything, even severe traumas, as they say, by tapping themselves for instance, are umh… wrong, so wrong.
Evil liars, in my eyes.
Posted on: 18/Jun/2009@8:27 pm
efs72 says...
It’s like the say – what I don’t understand I despise, what I despise I reject….
“All truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher, (1788-1860)
Posted on: 19/Jun/2009@9:52 am
drdebra says...
Interesting video and chat here. I see many patients in Denver Colorado for acupuncture and accept insurance, so not sure why people think acupuncture treatment isn’t covered by health insurance.
It’s also important to hear what other people who have tried acupuncture have to say about if it worked for their problem.
Debra Arko Novotny
Accent On Health
Posted on: 4/Jul/2009@5:57 pm
kungfuseadog says...
So far it’s all inconclusive study, indistinguishable from a Placebo. yeahyeahyeah I know there have been some studies that show a greater effectiveness of acupuncture but considering the level of detail people put into this scam it’s not surprising that patients might be very convinced of it. You might say that the prevalence of this “TCM” is explained by its very strong placebo effect.
But hey if it makes people feel better and they’re willing to spend that much money on it I’m fine with that.
Posted on: 8/Jul/2009@11:25 am
kitsune9t says...
This doesn’t imply that ridicule is a path to truth, some things are simply ridiculous.
Posted on: 17/Jul/2009@8:54 am
harly30 says...
May I suggest that you should refrain from throwing out comments without specifying your claims, “the great detail” that you mention is put into this is not from “people” it is, in fact, from 5000 years of trial and error as opposed to western medicine. Of course if this is making people feel better and western medicine is not, i’m fine with that as well. Take care of your logic, the placebo effect should be left inside the water pills becouse it is certainly far from something as deep as this.
Posted on: 21/Aug/2009@4:59 am
harly30 says...
hmmm how can what you say be true? oh yes you are right, but western medicine is only three years ahead of chinese, Life Expectancy for Americans 76, Life Expectancy of Chinese 73. But of course Traditional medicine is cheaper, less invasive and with no side effects. I guess its a matter of choosing the pill or the herb. I know where the herb comes from, don’t know the pill.
Posted on: 21/Aug/2009@5:08 am
eclecticdoc says...
Placebo – people think it’ll work so it works.
TCM – works on SOME things, including things that western medicine sucks at.
Western Medicine – works on SOME things, including things that tcm sucks at.
Posted on: 14/Sep/2009@12:26 pm
Beardeddragongamer says...
You forget that idiots exist.
Posted on: 20/Sep/2009@7:49 pm
TOAFN says...
Google:
Associated Press declares war on alternative medicine
Big Pharma doesn’t care about your health.
They care about your deseases.
Vitamines are bad for you!!!
Posted on: 10/Nov/2009@12:30 am
HappyBirthdaySANTA says...
acupuncture works if you take a pill your waiting & hoping it works (placebo effect) if your getting acupuncture you can feel it working during your consultation. the body is a pressurized vessel, by applying pressure in certain areas you release tension. go try it & you’ll know….
archipanktator. It’s the west that coined the phrase,”alternative medicine”. because4 they didn’t understand it. Fact is,Chinese medicine is about 3000 years old and and the western world now recognizes that it is far more advanced then their arrogance lead them to believe. What were your ancestors doing 3000 years ago?Did you ever see the movie,”Braveheart”?They lived like cavemen didn’t they?That was only 700 years ago. So asshole.Read a book before you speak.
Junosdaughter. Your response to archipankrator is correct but you diction is far too complicated for the idiot you’re talking to.If you want to get your point across, speak to him as you would to a child.
Bravo! Bravo! Beverly Burns. You have done the world a service of highest order. Words do not describe my delight with your highly intelligent, clear and accessible presentation. Thank you x 10.
being treated by an experienced acupuncturist is indistinguishable from a NHS nurse randomly poking you with needles as far as health effects go, hth
It’s magnificently clear that you are clueless about acupuncture so one can only conclude that your rantings are a feeble racist attempt to minimize another culture’s achievements to make you feel better about your own.
you’re right, I’m 5 years old and can’t differentiate between medicine and culture
durrrrrr…
I find it highly depicable to stick to esoteric non-sense and to exploit naive people who possibly seek real help.
Alternative medicine is based on nothing.
There are no meridians.
Stop the madness.
The rats are jumping ship.
CHEMRISK – a research company hired by the Corn Refiners Association has recently taken down it’s YouTube channel.
The removal was in response to negative public perception resulting from the discovery of dangerous levels of MERCURY in HIGH-FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP. Apparently it has become a liability to defend the sweetener.
See one of the last remaining ChemRisk videos at CornRefinersAssoc on YouTube.
The best anti-aging product I’ve ever seen is actually Alex Chiu’s Magnetic
Discovery. The other people are just nonsense.
How do you know there are no meridians? There are plenty of things in your body you cannot “see” or have any awareness of. Don’t assume that so-called “western medicine” has everything figured out either!
Maybe the reason why you couldn’t feel anything is because you can’t even feel YOUR OWN CHI. How sad….Try some qigong, yoga or taichi and try a acupuncture treatment again. Also, all because you “don’t feel anything” doesn’t mean nothing is happening. You are probably lacking “body-awareness”. You need to sit down and meditate, maybe then you would not be so ignorant.
Peace Be With You
According to all my friends and science, there are no meridians. I trust science, and I love empirism and its direction. Of course western medicine,as you call it,has not everything figured out.But I trust this kind of medicine only.Look up science and empirism,if you don’t know what they mean.Lot more trustful approach than simplistic hokum.
Believe me, “western medicine” has found out a 1000 times more things than eso-world.
cool story hansel, maybe you could try bloodletting to balance your sanguine humour
you should know, The medical scientist and doctors who lead world medicine are majorly in favor of TraditionallChinese Medicine (TCM) and the effectives and safety of the theory and applied technique. The science is in to an extent, go do your research in journals. However the medical acupuncturist association (the board for M.D. acupuncturist in the us) doubts that a gold standard will do the medicine justice. The WHO is a strong proponent, and the ICD-10 will have codes for TCM.
Yes, politics. Another story.
But I doubt medical scientists and doctors who lead are “majorly in favor of TCM”.
Some doctors just think, if that patient is becalmed by using placebo tricks, so be it.
I never said placebo is not real.
I said people who pretend to heal everything, even severe traumas, as they say, by tapping themselves for instance, are umh… wrong, so wrong.
Evil liars, in my eyes.
It’s like the say – what I don’t understand I despise, what I despise I reject….
“All truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher, (1788-1860)
Interesting video and chat here. I see many patients in Denver Colorado for acupuncture and accept insurance, so not sure why people think acupuncture treatment isn’t covered by health insurance.
It’s also important to hear what other people who have tried acupuncture have to say about if it worked for their problem.
Debra Arko Novotny
Accent On Health
So far it’s all inconclusive study, indistinguishable from a Placebo. yeahyeahyeah I know there have been some studies that show a greater effectiveness of acupuncture but considering the level of detail people put into this scam it’s not surprising that patients might be very convinced of it. You might say that the prevalence of this “TCM” is explained by its very strong placebo effect.
But hey if it makes people feel better and they’re willing to spend that much money on it I’m fine with that.
This doesn’t imply that ridicule is a path to truth, some things are simply ridiculous.
May I suggest that you should refrain from throwing out comments without specifying your claims, “the great detail” that you mention is put into this is not from “people” it is, in fact, from 5000 years of trial and error as opposed to western medicine. Of course if this is making people feel better and western medicine is not, i’m fine with that as well. Take care of your logic, the placebo effect should be left inside the water pills becouse it is certainly far from something as deep as this.
hmmm how can what you say be true? oh yes you are right, but western medicine is only three years ahead of chinese, Life Expectancy for Americans 76, Life Expectancy of Chinese 73. But of course Traditional medicine is cheaper, less invasive and with no side effects. I guess its a matter of choosing the pill or the herb. I know where the herb comes from, don’t know the pill.
Placebo – people think it’ll work so it works.
TCM – works on SOME things, including things that western medicine sucks at.
Western Medicine – works on SOME things, including things that tcm sucks at.
You forget that idiots exist.
Google:
Associated Press declares war on alternative medicine
Big Pharma doesn’t care about your health.
They care about your deseases.
Vitamines are bad for you!!!
acupuncture works if you take a pill your waiting & hoping it works (placebo effect) if your getting acupuncture you can feel it working during your consultation. the body is a pressurized vessel, by applying pressure in certain areas you release tension. go try it & you’ll know….